Maps, Directions, and Place Reviews
Cleanup
This article is in terrible shape. It reads more like an essay (see WP:NOT), not an encyclopedia article. It lacks references, wikilinks for the most part, doesn't conform to WP:MOS and has a bit of POV. A major cleanup effort needs to be done to get this page in better shape. --Rkitko (talk) 03:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
What part is POV? -anon
POV = Point of View -Carl
Just Pools And Spas Video
This article is great
This article is one of the best in wikipedia. Clean up if you want to, but I think it is very good. Wasn't it originally in the swimming pool article and them moved here to shorten that article. -Anon
PURE CRAP
The section on pool pumps is crap. 750 watts per hour? A watt is one joule per second. A kWh is 3,600,000 Joules. 3/4 hp is not 750 Watts. 1 hp is approx 746 W. Someone needs basic physics and algebra.
This 550W "italian" pump which puts out 750W sounds like a sales pitch. Where is the citation? And why should one trust an author who misunderstands what a Watt is in the first place. 24.158.38.71 01:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Just simply pathetic
Both the discussions of history of sanitation and the technology are so awful, even an industry pro could become confused. Don't trust a word of this nonsense. 24.158.38.71 02:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Help this page
There's a big problem on the information in this page. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeridu (talk o contribs) 12:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Missing section
An important section is completely missing. The importance of showering properly (which means without swim suit) to prevent faecal pathogens entering the water. No amount of water treatment can make up for that as the bacteria can remain viable for some time. Malcolm.boura (talk) 13:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Additional Pool Sanitisation Technology
Any mention of any "eclear" tech (www.eclear.co.za) should be investigated since people with interests in this company have been posting poorly-disguised advertising copy in this article. @eclear guys: come on, don't insult your customers' intelligence. --41.145.120.185 (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Ill health effects of pool sanitation?
Although there may already be an article about this topic (I've yet to find it) I think this article would have the appearance of being more "well balanced" if it included a section discussing the CONS of pool sanitation. From reading this article you kind of get the idea that putting your toe in a lake might kill you. But seriously - chlorine (the predominant disinfectant used in pools) is known to cause some pretty serious health problems and I tend to find that there is very little awareness about the topic (largely due to articles like this probably written by the short sighted government - I mean... neutral POV... :S) even amongst people like myself who swim competitively and work at pools. Check this http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/swimming/chlorine/asthma.htm for more information. --The Man in the Ceiling (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I second this. Too much bias towards commercial "solutions" without rational debate on the actual problems. --41.145.120.185 (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Safety
Shouldn't "Only pools and spas that contain filtered and disinfected water can be considered safe places to swim" be worded more strongly? Something like "Only sociopaths would risk their health and the safety of the free world by swimming in anything other than a filtered, disinfected, guarded, well fenced, state approved, sterile recreation medium." anon 24.58.23.173 (talk) 02:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Need citation
"Ground level ozone is widely recognized as a pollutant and greenhouse gas and can cause respiratory problems such as asthma and use in swimming pools are therefore being fased out."
This statement contains several claims that need supporting facts and citations. I'm not a pool expert, but my understanding is that use of ozone generators is in fact increasing for both pool and potable water sterilization. Ozone generators are highly recommended over chlorine in the book "Water Storage: Tanks, Cisterns, Aquifers and Ponds" by Art Ludwig, page 71. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.83 (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Efforts to improve this article
This article needs a tremendous amount of work. Before I make any edits, I want to note that I do have a potential partial conflict of interest with the subject matter of this page, as the American Chemistry Council is a client of my employer. I know ACC would like this article to be more accessible, particularly as chemicals are frequently used to sanitize swimming pools and hot tubs. As it stands now, and as warning templates have indicated for more than a year, this article is nearly impenetrable. As I get started, strive to make only edits in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines and, when necessary, supported by reliable, third-party sources. Please feel free to discuss issues related to this page and my editing here or on my Talk page. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Electronic oxidation claims
Moving forward on this article, there is a very, very large amount of unsupported information in this article. Some of it can be sourced and should be, however for the moment I'd like to identify one paragraph in this section which I believe has too many issues to leave alone. Some of the statements contained within cannot be verified because they simply are not true, while others are unverified promotional claims which have no business in an encyclopedia article. Here is that paragraph, with specifically problematic passages in boldface:
In the first place, there's no such thing as a microorganism developing true resistance to chlorine. This NIH study discusses temporary resistance, whereby the "most resistant microorganisms were able to survive a 2-min exposure to 10 mg of free chlorine per liter." A similar NIH study can be found here. Meanwhile, the references to oxidation being "chemical-free" and "eco-friendly" and "100% effective" are basically marketing-speak (re: chemical-free) or unsupported (re: effectiveness). The further claim that electronic oxidation provides "very effective, healthy pool sanitation" is the kind of claim one will only see on websites seeking to sell such technologies. The same goes for the claim that it is an "innovative technology" patented by the named company; other claims in the sentence may be true but are not strictly relevant and are likewise promotional. I would suggest that this paragraph be removed or pared back to simply note that these technologies exist, without repeating their specific claims. Thoughts? NMS Bill (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Prevention of diseases
I propose another substantive revision of this article, specifically a rewrite of the section titled Prevention of diseases in swimming pools and spas. At present, the section is extraordinarily long (approx. 3,000 words) and contains precious few citations, so it is difficult for a lay reader to assess the accuracy of what is right now very technical language. The section has also been the focus of piecemeal revision where knowledgeable editors have removed specific inaccuracies. However, the problem is much bigger and, at this point, I believe most of it is simply not worth saving. A rewrite is needed.
The section I propose to replace it with -- available for review in my user space here -- includes a straightforward explanation of the principles of disease prevention, a detailed but concise discussion of chlorine and bromine (by far the most popular methods), and a light touch on alternatives. The sources I rely upon are primarily from the CDC, as well as industry publication Pool & Spa News. I should note that one source, the Water Quality and Health Council, is affiliated with the American Chemistry Council, with whom I work (as previously mentioned on this page), though it is high-quality and suppots a basic detail about the importance of routine monitoring. I don't believe any of this is controversial, but because it involves replacing a large amount of text, I'd like to open this up for comment first. Thanks, NMS Bill (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Contaminants and potential for disease
I've just posted my latest and (for now) last major revision to this page; I rewrote two very long and confusing sections[1][2] about contaminants in pools and specific diseases as one section[3] which is more concise and consequently much more useful to the lay reader. Concurrent with this, I have moved the "Typical filtration" section lower in the article; it is still my belief that this section is far too detailed -- perhaps it deserves a separate article? -- too technical and lacking proper sources. As such, I've placed an appropriate template message on this specific section as I have removed one from the top of the article itself. If you have any thoughts, please get in touch with me at my talk page. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 01:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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